Latest news from the quintaJune 27th, 2017. Post by Quinta do Vale
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We're just learning that the fires around Pedrógão Grande and Góis which started at the weekend and are still burning have been classed as Europe's first natural firestorm. A local ex fire chief said he's seen nothing like it in 30 years of fire fighting. The proximate cause being given for the fire was a lightning strike during a thunderstorm without rain, but the real cause is no natural disaster. This was a 100% man-made accident waiting to happen.
The forests covering this area are plantations of pine and eucalyptus. Both species have a fire ecology. In other words, they've evolved with fire and use fire to reproduce. You can't grow these trees and NOT expect fires! During drought conditions and high temperatures, these forests give off volatile oils which form an explosive mixture which only takes a spark to ignite.
Even in less incendiary conditions, these species foster a dry sclerophyllous forest ecology with equally flammable understorey. Such forests transpire much less water than broadleaved deciduous woodland. This in turn means less rain. Which in turn means a drier environment. It's a vicious circle.
As Ernst Götsch so succinctly said, "A chuva, é preciso plantá-la!" Rain must be planted.
This photo graphically shows the difference between what happens in a forest fire to trees which have evolved to burn fast and furious and those which haven't. Study it closely. Even allowing for the possible intervention of the bombeiros to save the house, it still tells a very clear story. No further comment is really needed. ... See MoreSee Less
Are the eucalyptus trees introduced from Australia? I live in Australia and this is a sad, common sight. I believe that the eucalyptus tree was introduced to Sicily because it fast growing. Was it the same for Portugal? A year ago I was a fleeting visitor to Portugal. These fires have been devastating and such an incredible loss of life. I weep. Methinks we interfere with nature a little too much. :(
Thinking of you and your community - and especially of the wonderful place you've developed in nature.
Grown in Portugal for toilet paper.....
Well written...Tougher fire prevention legislation needs to be implemented on land owners and growers as a matter of urgency
What a great picture to make the point ! Hopefully we will learn !
Najib A Daghistani
I agree that pine and eucalyptus are very flamable, especialy eucalyptus, but that spot is clearly farmland, not forest, its has defenses. Oaktrees also burn if in abandoned forest...
In this petition we are trying to stop eucaliptus plantation. I guess only portuguese citizens can sign, as it needs an ID number. Please consider signing and sharing: peticaopublica.com/pview.aspx?pi=revogaeucalipo
Sepp Holzer would agree. Portugal needs to rethink its nature.
This just posted by someone in one of the evacuated villages ... "A minha família está bem, todos os animais e as casas estão a salvo dos incêndios como por milagre. Infelizmente outros não tiveram a mesma sorte que nós. Obrigado a todos pelas carinhosas mensagens de apoio. Foram dias terriveis com o coração nas mãos. Espero sinceramente que esta tragédia traga grandes mudanças no nosso país para que não se repita no futuro. As vidas humanas e não-humanas não voltam mas a floresta original de carvalhos e castanheiros pode voltar a crescer. Não aos eucaliptos."
Prakash Filippo Basso - something for PCAP and PROUT to seriously consider!
Sulekha Baba - here is a good explanation :-(
Žmergo Udruga - i ovo je jako, jako lose :-(
YES! Rain has to be planted!!
Lá está o ordenamento florestal do país adiado durante décadas pelos nossos maravilhosos políticos...
Great picture mainly because of its meaning
There is a house on it so it is waterbombed which also leaves that area untouched. My friends house looks the same: little green oasis in the midst of ashes but it's just because their house and land around it was watered extensively. Also these trees would have burnt in a fire like this as they do here in spain where we don't have eucalyptus. Though it is absolutely true it burns slower it would be a lie to tell ppl this green oasis is just because these type of trees don't burn.
O adiamento nunca foi em vão, digamos, por esquecimento. A real causa do adiamento é o que lhes é pago para que se 'esqueçam'.
Raquel Proença de Figueiredo
Es una pena que en la cornisa cantábrica se hayan talado bosques de robles y castaños para reemplazarlos por eucalipto o pino, crecen más rápido y por lo tanto dan más dinero. Al final... Todo es negocio!!
Tree to be www.treetobe.nl/en/
Foto bem elucidativa! Obrigada
Vou partilhar, obrigada.
Even if you say some truths about eucaliptos and pine, if the fire was so strong and fast like people have described its not a couple of different tree and species that will stop it. Only a drop of temperature or no trees. This type of fire causes it self wind and dries everything around. I don't believe it was just a couple of trees stoping that house from burning
This album features images of Quinta do Vale's vermicomposting flush toilet system and other systems which have been modelled on it and built with my help. I teach workshops on the system from time to time so lots of the images are from the workshops. Much more detail about this is on the website created specifically for vermicomposting flush toilets - www.vermicompostingtoilets.net ... See MoreSee Less
I don't suppose this one really needs a caption ... ... See MoreSee Less
MMM redcurrants, I don't have any of those here
Couldn't identify the 2 larger shiny red berries? Otherwise 'Bon Appetite'. 😋
Loving the difference a greenhouse makes. These were planted as seedlings just 3 weeks ago and already I have cucumbers almost ready to harvest! ... See MoreSee Less
Extraordinary, you will need extra hands, just too keep up. 😅
The Catalpa I planted by the upper ponds is in flower for the first time. ... See MoreSee Less
Harvesting redcurrants. By the time the bowl was full it amounted to 5kg. And that's just from one bush which still has more to be picked. This lot is on its way to becoming redcurrant cordial. ... See MoreSee Less
i want it!!!! ;)
Oh beauty! So full of goodness!
By the way, how far apart do you grow your bushes?
I loooove red currant!!!
How beautiful! Plentiful and sooo delicious! Mine are still very green.....Are you growing the white ones too? They are even better....
A message from Dr Vandana Shiva ...Multi-lingual subtitles available On this 5th of June - World Environment Day – Vandana Shiva reminds us that we are part of the Earth, and that we all have ... ... See MoreSee Less
Thought for the day ... "A chuva, é preciso plantá-la!" ("The rain must be planted!"} Ernst Götsch. ... See MoreSee Less
A Chuva, é preciso plantá-la! ;)
Everything in the greenhouse is growing like it's on steroids! ... See MoreSee Less
Reminds me of butterfly world x